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stay in the EU 10 18.52%
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Old 16-06-2016, 07:47 PM
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Whilst we have our health and the support of our families, we should't be too unhappy, I suppose. We will survive one way or another.

It could be much worse; we could live in America/Germany/France/Italy/Greece/spain/portgal /ireland/belgium/russia/china/pakistan/india/mexico/ sierra leone/nigeria..... or Finland??? Mmmm... Nah, too cold... Denmark is nice though...
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Old 16-06-2016, 09:51 PM
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all i can see if the influx of a foreign work force has driven down the value of the working mans day. labourers should be earning 100 a day minimum by now, but they are still on 60-70 a day, thats what i was on 20 years ago, but the cost of living, food and fuel, in fact everything has doubled. thats because our government has dragged in cheap labour and stiffed the working class. its time we stopped the import of cheap workers, took a few off the dole and get people earning better, who cares if the cost of items rises.
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Old 16-06-2016, 10:10 PM
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Another can of worms Dan. I think alot of people in the UK have forgotten how to work (if they ever knew?) and wouldnt/couldnt do what we do for any amount of money...
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Old 16-06-2016, 10:23 PM
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There is many a reason bar the immigration situation.

The eu dictates most of our rules....even in random things like you cannot buy a vacuum cleaner that is more than 1600watts.

How many regulations and shite have come from the eu and over rode our uk regulations and make it harder or more involved that it needs to be.
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Old 16-06-2016, 11:03 PM
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It could Julian but how do you think it might ...? Personally I can't see how. The thing is none of know either way, i can't pass judgement in any direction. Being out seems a better option for the majority but on what do they base their assumptions ? The country traded quite well before a union with europe and you started you business whilst in it. I am intrigued. What really brings thing in to pathetic reality is a 41 year old politician has lost her life over it today leaving a 3 and 5 year old with no mother and a husband with no wife tell me all what is it that every body thinks they know regarding the out come. I won't be voting full stop and nor should any one else because no one has a fucking clue !!
Not sure doing nothing is a good thing: we still have a democracy and I think people should partake if they value it.
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Old 16-06-2016, 11:05 PM
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I am totally pissed off with our politicans. They are all incompetent. I dont trust them to negotiate for us if we stay in and i dont trust them to negotiate for us if we leave. In summary we are fucked. Both ways. We have been poking the bear with a big stick and it is going to bite us. Either inside the cage or out of it. And we aint going to bite back because thats not what we do....

Cameron, boris, the new labour bloke, farage, blair, milliband - both of them, gove, brown (who recussitated him?) Dont know any lib dems sorry, but i quite liked the one with a drink problem +++++ they all want fuckin with a breeze block. This could fuck my business. I am furious!
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Another can of worms Dan. I think alot of people in the UK have forgotten how to work (if they ever knew?) and wouldnt/couldnt do what we do for any amount of money...
let me attempt to break that issue down, there will always be lazy feckers, we cant do much about that, the rest are content to work but they are earning 45 a day on the dole, now a farmer will employ a romanian for 50 a day to pick veg, he will complain that he cant find brits to do the job. fucking right he cant, not worth going to work all day for an extra fiver! stay on the dole!

remove the foreign worker and farmer has to pay more to get brit workforce in, a simple case of supply and demand, now he is paying 75 a day and dole boy is seeing the benifit of working again..

the downside it farmer has to charge more for food, but dole boy is earning more, he can afford it. same difference, one less guy on dole and spending more money in a thriving economy.

im happy to pay more for british milk, veg and meat etc. im also happy to pay my men more, infact i welcome it. my prices would have to rise, but everyone is earning more, its relative
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Old 17-06-2016, 02:45 AM
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let me attempt to break that issue down, there will always be lazy feckers, we cant do much about that, the rest are content to work but they are earning 45 a day on the dole, now a farmer will employ a romanian for 50 a day to pick veg, he will complain that he cant find brits to do the job. fucking right he cant, not worth going to work all day for an extra fiver! stay on the dole!

remove the foreign worker and farmer has to pay more to get brit workforce in, a simple case of supply and demand, now he is paying 75 a day and dole boy is seeing the benifit of working again..

the downside it farmer has to charge more for food, but dole boy is earning more, he can afford it. same difference, one less guy on dole and spending more money in a thriving economy.

im happy to pay more for british milk, veg and meat etc. im also happy to pay my men more, infact i welcome it. my prices would have to rise, but everyone is earning more, its relative
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Old 17-06-2016, 08:45 AM
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let me attempt to break that issue down, there will always be lazy feckers, we cant do much about that, the rest are content to work but they are earning 45 a day on the dole, now a farmer will employ a romanian for 50 a day to pick veg, he will complain that he cant find brits to do the job. fucking right he cant, not worth going to work all day for an extra fiver! stay on the dole!

remove the foreign worker and farmer has to pay more to get brit workforce in, a simple case of supply and demand, now he is paying 75 a day and dole boy is seeing the benifit of working again..

the downside it farmer has to charge more for food, but dole boy is earning more, he can afford it. same difference, one less guy on dole and spending more money in a thriving economy.

im happy to pay more for british milk, veg and meat etc. im also happy to pay my men more, infact i welcome it. my prices would have to rise, but everyone is earning more, its relative
Big mistake Dan- farmers are price takers, not price setters. It's a global market. To make your idea work it would need to be combined with a raft of protectionist measures against imports.

Regarding your last sentence, well that's just inflation mate. Sooner rather than later it'll come full circle, and your blokes will again be bitching for a pay rise.

The problem as I see it is that our 'economy' relies upon arbitrage of cheaper labour and services from abroad. Big businesses know this, hence the push to stay in the EU. There's also the issue of constant immigration needed to keep house prices sky high.

If one were conspiratorially minded one might say it's all been going to pot since the start of the breakdown of society with the swinging sixties. Gone to a large extent are the nuclear families, and gone also are the days when one man's honest wage could support a family. All part of the elite's plan to control us? Now that it takes two wages just to rent a crappy house, they really have got the current generation where they want them.
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Old 17-06-2016, 12:44 PM
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Not sure about conspiracies, but who knows.

When I was a child, we had a live in stockman: he used to have his own chair in the kitchen where he'd sit smoking his pipe, whilst watching "filams" on his little black and white telly. Anyway, when decimalisation came around, he really struggled to deal with fact there were now only 100p in the , he felt seriously cheated: perhaps he was right
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